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You Aren’t Like Me, Susan Stanton

One of the many rumors flying around the transgender blogosphere is that the next Human Rights Campaign (HRC) golden (or token, if you like) transgender person is Susan Stanton. If true, it’s an sign of just how desperate the HRC is to “Win Back” the transgender community.

One of the most obvious reasons that she should not represent the transgender community is experience. This time last year, Susan was still Steve. Susan was still closeted. She transitioned from Steve to Susan in May of last year. The words “newbie” and “neophyte” ring loudly through my ears when the name Susan Stanton is spoken. A recent story in the St. Petersburg Times shows just how unprepared Stanton is to lead this community.

Susan has met hundreds of other people like her. She was among the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people lobbying for a law that would make it illegal for others to discriminate against them.But Susan has said all along that she’s not like other transgender people. She feels uncomfortable even looking at some, ‘like I’m seeing a bunch of men in dresses.’

On the face of it, that is one of the most transphobic statements I’ve ever heard spewed from the the mouth of another transgender woman. It’s saying, ‘I’m not like THOSE people, those MEN IN DRESSES!’


Eventually, she decided it was too early for transgender people to be federally protected. People need more time, more education, she says. “The transgender groups boo me, now, when I speak. Isn’t that ironic?

“But I don’t blame the human rights groups from separating the transgender people from the protected groups. Most Americans aren’t ready for us yet,” Susan says. Transgender people need to be able to prove they’re still viable workers — especially in the mainstream.

Gosh, how would Susan know the pulse of American’s feelings on transgender people? The numbers from HRC’s own polls done in 2002 and 2004 suggest something much different than her conclusions. Her words sound hauntingly familiar to Barney Frank’s verbal assaults against gender identity inclusion in the Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA).

Stanton wonders why she’s getting booed? HRC is clearly not speaking for the “good” of the transgender community. They have been actively working against transgender inclusive legislation. They are hardly the people to be judging nor picking who should or shouldn’t speak on our behalf. The booing isn’t ironic, but inevitable when you are a shill for an organization that threw us under the ENDA bus.

The less obvious reason is that her life experience as a transperson is of one of privilege. She has little concept of the struggles of most trangender women.

‘I’m still getting used to so many things about my new body,’ Susan says. “It’s intoxicatingly enjoyable and absolutely right.” She loves the feel of soft sweaters on her hairless arms, the new curves of her hips, her smooth cheeks and chin. And there’s still one leap to make.In May, Susan flies to Arizona for the $15,000 gender-reassignment surgery.

The majority of trangender women who want surgery, can’t have it. The cost is just too much, most of us are barely getting by. Most transgender women who are unable to find work because of their transition don’t have to means to have an apartment and support a family in another house, while unemployed. I don’t know any women that can have electrolysis done while not working (do the math $70 to $150 a treatment X 52 weeks X 2 to 3 years) . For most of us, life is a constant struggle to survive. We can’t jet off to another state and have surgery on the first anniversary of our real life test. Stanton is obviously a person of means, even in her unemployment. Such is not the state for the majority of the transgender community.

But the biggest reason of all, is the kind of rhetoric that she is spouting is dangerous to our movement. Her comments are nothing short of misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic.

Six months ago, I would have said, ‘No. Never. I’m not gay.’ Now it feels nice, natural, when a man buys me a drink,” Susan says. “It’s nice to have someone order dinner for you, choose the wine.

Inherent in her message is that women are submissive, men are dominant. Note to Susan: this outdated rhetoric went out in the 1970′s. Maybe she hasn’t heard that “women are doing it for themselves.”

Six months ago, I would have said, ‘No. Never. I’m not gay.’ Now it feels nice, natural, when a man buys me a drink.

Note to all gay men: If you take hormones and wear a dress, you’ll be heterosexual.

“I was a good city manager. I know I was. I had high expectations and held people responsible for achieving results,” Susan says. “I could’ve made it work. I’m not some drag queen in a pink miniskirt with 6-inch heels. And I’m not Aunt Bee.

The divisive and patriarchal attitude Stanton is spewing will throw us back years. Instead of being the leader of the transgender community, she sounds like a better fit for the transsexual separatist movement.

Many of us are trying to find work, even if we don’t pass so well. Many of us are a secure in our own sexuality. Many of us do not spew self hating homophobic and transphobic statements. Some of us do sex work because we can’t find any other work. Some of us live in the streets because our families have abandoned us. Some of us look like Aunt Bee.

If she don’t understand us, and in fact has contempt for us, she probably shouldn’t speak for us. She isn’t helping us.

I’m not like Susan Stanton, and I hope some day she isn’t either.

Transadvocate contributor: Marti Abernathey  (1926 Posts)

Marti Abernathey is Transadvocate.com's blog editor. She's also a podcaster, activist, and radiologic technologist in Madison, Wisconsin. She's been a part of various internet radio ventures such as TSR Live!, The T-Party, and The Radical Trannies, to name a few. As an advocate she's previously been involved with the Indiana Transgender Rights Advocacy Alliance, Rock Indiana Campaign for Equality, and the National Transgender Advocacy Coalition. She's taken vital roles as a grass roots community organizer in The Indianapolis Tax Day Protest (2003), The Indy Pride HRC Protest (2004), Transgender Day of Remembrance (2004), Indiana's Witch Hunt (2005), and the Rally At The Statehouse (the largest ever GLBT protest in Indiana - 3/2005). She was a delegate from Indiana to the Democratic National Convention and a member of Barack Obama's LGBT Steering and Policy Committee.


  • Stella

    I think Susan Stanton, whether “they are like her or not”, was accurate in what was said.

    Most trans people are men in dresses. Trans-think has it that women are hollow shells and that our experiences mean in becoming women. It is a trans conceptualization that you can live as long as Susan Stanton as a man and suddenly be transformed into a woman. Few things could be more negating to women. Few ideas are more male than the idea idea is that all you have to do is look like a woman and suddenly you are a woman. The matches the male prespective because it’s an externalized or “othered” perspective from women. The ‘view’ of women from the male perspective is one of appearance as opposed to having been subjected to what women experience and men seem remarkably impervious to that.

    There is such a knee-jerk response to what Stanton said? Why can it not be examined? Why the hail of antipathy toward an honest perspective?

  • Stellewriter

    What is going on here, at large, is what makes so many good and valuable Trassexuals fade into the woodwork after transition. Time for us to look at ourselves and head to the wood shed. Time to shut down the “she said, they said” and move on to what can we do that has meaing and to making a better life for the transgender.

  • http://www.TransFM.org/ Ethan St.Pierre

    Who took Stella’s groove?

  • http://www.TransFM.org Ethan St.Pierre

    Who took Stella’s groove?

  • Stella

    Men in dresses.

  • Stella

    Men in dresses.

  • http://www.TransFM.org Ethan St.Pierre

    Don’t know any of them, looks like you won’t be getting your groove back any time soon.

  • http://www.TransFM.org/ Ethan St.Pierre

    Don’t know any of them, looks like you won’t be getting your groove back any time soon.

  • http://gorgonqueen.wordpress.com/ Val

    > Trans-think has it that women are hollow shells and that our experiences mean in becoming women. It is a trans conceptualization that you can live as long as Susan Stanton as a man and suddenly be transformed into a woman.

    Famous “straw tranny” axioms.

    Where do people like you come up with this crap?

  • Analise

    Who knows if the newspaper distorted her comments, but it’s a regrettable comment. However, I do understand how a number of us think this way and express these sentiments towards other TG people.

    I’ve seen this sort of comment made before. It is sometimes done by someone wanting to affirm their self, as distinct from someone else who they think doesn’t pass as well, or acts less feminine. There are also TS girls out there who act overly submissive, more overtly feminine than many post-feminist, cisgendered females.

    I went to my first TG support group last year and my immediate reaction was eek, men in dresses. Part of me said they’re all crossdressers, and I’ve avoided crossdressing so that I don’t look like that. I’m ashamed of that now, and I think that part of our coming out/coming to terms with our TG selves is learning about all of the variety there is, seeing more of ourself in others at different stages or on different side roads, to our own journey.

  • Dennis

    So if MtF’s are men in dresses, what are FtM’s? Doesn’t anyone consider this population and regardless of whether or not someone considers another to be a man in a dress or a woman in boots, why does any person, man, woman, or any other identification feel that they do not deserve protection? Why does any American in the year 2008 not have the right to dress and call themselves anything they want without fear? What a sad trans person this Susan must be. I am using the word trans, as in transgender, the umbrella term which is inclusive of all gender variant people. This word Susan does lump you in with all those men in dresses that you seem to loathe so much. Sorry.

  • Dennis

    So if MtF’s are men in dresses, what are FtM’s? Doesn’t anyone consider this population and regardless of whether or not someone considers another to be a man in a dress or a woman in boots, why does any person, man, woman, or any other identification feel that they do not deserve protection? Why does any American in the year 2008 not have the right to dress and call themselves anything they want without fear? What a sad trans person this Susan must be. I am using the word trans, as in transgender, the umbrella term which is inclusive of all gender variant people. This word Susan does lump you in with all those men in dresses that you seem to loathe so much. Sorry.

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  • http://vickiedavis.blogspot.com/ Vickie Davis

    It looks like I tried to get too fancy for my oun good. The last line “God help us if she becomes the HRC”s golden tranny,” was suppose to be outside the quote. Oh well, I hope you get the idea.

    Marti: if you could fix it I would be appreciative. Vickie

  • http://gorgonqueen.wordpress.com Val

    > However, perhaps “the most obvious reason she shouldn’t represent the transgender community” is that she doesn’t feel she is, nor identifies with, the transgendered?

    This occurred to me as well. Her references to “men in dresses”, proud normativity and apparent sense of entitlement remind me of your own positions.

    Which begs the question: how do you feel about her representing your interests?

  • http://www.TransFM.org Ethan St.Pierre

    “believe she’s totally right when she says more education needs to be done. We thought HRC was doing it. We were misled. So we have to do it ourselves, because they certainly won’t.”

    Just because the excuse that Congress used was that they need more education, doesn’t mean it’s true. Did HRC educate Congress on transgender issues? NO.
    But we didn’t sit idly by and trust that HRC was actually doing education work on our behalf.
    We have been through this before. In fact we went through the exact same thing in 2003. Elizabeth Birch used the same “There needs to be more education” excuse back then for not including us in ENDA. You can read about that right here: http://www.genderadvocates.org/News/HRC%20on%20ENDA.html

    Susan is doing nothing more than singing the tune of our oppressors. She has a star in each eye and doesn’t care who she hurts or how much damage she does.

  • eastsidekate

    It would be like transgender people believing we have the right to choose Larry Craig to speak on behalf of the gay and lesbian community!

    Excellent analogy. Susan’s not in the closet, but she’s just coming out of it– and working through a bunch of issues. As others have pointed out, not only does she have a narrow, self-loathing and privileged perspective, but she’s also not been put forth as a spokesperson by any trans people I can think of.

  • http://endablog.wordpress.com Kat

    Thank you Janice for your candor – and your comments.

  • Janice

    you are very welcome Kat

  • http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain

    I’ve never identified with the TG community. I’m IS, TS, but have little in common with GLBs and most TGs. I never dressed before transition, and there are no TG support groups where I live.

    But so what? Those who would beat the living daylights out of me make no such fine distinctions. And of course I’m pro-GLB and pro-TG rights, it’s a Human Rights issue, and those minorities are being persecuted.

    I have no say in whether I’m lumped in with them or not. By fighting for my own rights, I help them, and when they fight for their rights, it helps me. My own identification is irrelevant.

  • http://enoughnonsense.wordpress.com/ Susan

    I have never stated that transgendered people are “men in dresses” but, then again, you know that. Certainly I don’t want to be perceived as a freak so, yes, I am proudly normative. Considering I worked my way through engineering school and what little I may have acquired over the 57 years of my life was because of diligent effort and dogged perseverance, a sense of entitlement just doesn’t fit. And, I represent my own interests…take responsibility for my own life…and don’t look for excuses in others when things don’t go my way.

    But you don’t care about any of that, Val, do you?

    You are a malcontent, extremely contentious, love to argue just to argue, seemingly unhappy and, at least with every blog interaction you and I have had, apparently a very humorless and sour individual.

    I know you don’t appreciate my position in this debate; I think everyone knows that by now. And, as that premise is firmly established, I have a suggestion: Why don’t you try to present a perspective, unique or otherwise, in the debate instead of cluttering Marti’s excellent site with verbal baiting and pointed personal attacks.

  • http://gorgonqueen.wordpress.com Val

    “Don’t want”?

    What does that have to do with anything? Or do you now claim the same ability as Michael Bailey, to correctly diagnose transsexual and transgender conditions at a distance?

    This is what I mean by “political identity.” The fact is that Stanton’s utterances reflect a fair portion of separatist sentiment… the same kinds of sentiment by which HBS-identified individuals seem to claim to be able to recognize one another. Do you then “reject” her because she put it a bad way, in an inappropriate forum? Is that all “identity” means?

    HBS, if it is a medical condition, is not then also a private clubhouse to which you have the right of admission and rejection.

  • http://gorgonqueen.wordpress.com Val

    > I have never stated that transgendered people are “men in dresses”

    You have implied on numerous occasions that anyone who considers themselves transgendered, and does not present to you whatever you consider to be adequate evidence of being a “true transsexual” (what you now call an HBS woman), is essentially a crossdresser or similar variant. You make no real allowance for variety or evolution of consciousness, awareness, affect, or language. The fact that you choose now to be a concern troll, and feign reproach for my own sullying of this blog, is a smokescreen for what has always been an evidently fundamentalist position.

    The rest is the usual cred-grabbing and tit-for-tat henpecking, and can therefore be discarded without comment.

  • http://enoughnonsense.wordpress.com/ Leigh

    Actually val … my comment was made with both irony and humor in mind.

    I mean .. When she was lobbying for laws for the Transgenders and the GLB she was your golden girl, someone who could make a difference.

    Then it turns out that even she cant get into the idea of “Men in Dresses”, says it publically and is immediatly demonized as being a better fit for those awful elitist and despicable transsexual seperatists, which in itself is a strange term since we are not seperating from you because we never identified with you in the first place.

    The club, as you put it, doesn’t have a right of admission or rejection, you either is or you isn’t HBS/transsexual. We don’t have spectrums, nor do we have support groups. We don’t march on Washington nor celebrate our pride. We don’t want to change society, just be one with it. We don’t have hero’s or heroines and we don’t idolize the next public figure to hit the media spotlight. In fact, we could happily go through life not knowing who each other are, somthing that transgenders could never do since their entire existance revolves around their need for support and community. If it dwindles, they run back to the cover of the GLB or their former lives.

    So no, we don’t want or need your rejects but if they one day open their eyes and find that they identify more with us than you, there is always a place waiting for them at our table.

  • http://www.TransFM.org Ethan St.Pierre

    If you don’t want to know nor care who each other are, how will Susan know which table to sit at. Will it be clearly marked, THE STEALTH table?
    That reminds me of the joke about paranoids anonymous. They wouldn’t tell you where the meeting is.

  • http://gorgonqueen.wordpress.com Val

    I have often noticed the habit of fundamentalists to reiterate ever-more-generic manifestos, the self-evident mendacity of which they appear to hope will be ignored in the face of their glazed rhetoric.

  • http://enoughnonsense.wordpress.com/ Leigh

    When you make a group of non-related or ill fitting comparisons and lump it all under a single term, there is going to be discourse and divisivness. Such is the human condition reflected in all parts of society, everywhere. Whites don’t want to live in Black neighborhoods, Black’s dont want to live in spanish neighborhoods, the asians only hire other asians, the germans kill the jews and the jews kill the arabs and the arabs kill the hostages and that is the news.. is it any wonder the monkey’s confused?

    Transgender, by its very term encompasses so many ill fitting bed partners that there is no way we will ever live in harmony or see eye to eye on just about anything. What does a transsexual have in common with a crossdresser other than they both wear clothes that were originally designed for the other gender. One wears them because they have become the other gender, the other wears them to satisfy a fetish. What do Gays and lesbians have in common with non-gay transsexuals or crossdressers? The crossdressers are not gay and are mostly married men, the gays don’t have a stockings and high heel fetish and the lesbians don’t even own but one pair of each at most.

    But then we strike at the very heart of what the GLB & T marriage was always about. It is to show to society that gays and lesbians are NORMAL in comparisson to the fruits and flakes encompassing the T part of the federation. The transgenders are the pawns in a wider game of chess and you all swallowed it down and ate it up, just as they wanted you to. Your nothing more than cannon fodder on the battlefield of gay rights, and once they have what they came for, you will be standing outside looking through the window while they ignore your very existance.

  • http://enoughnonsense.wordpress.com/ Susan

    We, the Transgender commnity, need to form a voice (that) is separate from others…

    That’s pretty much heresy to even suggest. I will come to your tar and feathering.

  • http://Showinghowtodoitright... Stellewriter

    Think 1931 Berlin, cabaret raided and those who are effeminate and trans dragged into the streets to be beaten and stabbed….

    I see its repeat coming upon us…..

    Think Sturmabteilung when you think HRC….

  • Mercedes Allen

    We’re looking at some pretty wide generalizations here. One thing I have done was to build bridges with crossdressing communities, and in doing so, I’ve found that peoples’ reasons for crossdressing are as diverse as their faces. And there are definitely some future transitioning folks in their number, and others who need to but hold back.

    More importantly, you do not have to fully understand a community to respect it. For a community that needs the respect of at least the moderates in a largely cisgendered world that can’t understand us, it’s worth noting that, and practicing it ourselves.

  • http://vickiedavis.blogspot.com/ Vickie Davis

    Kimberli,

    It is fun to see you here too!

    Your friend and neighbor,

    Vickie

  • http://Showinghowtodoitright... Stellewriter

    Side note to Charles:

    The abilities and intelligence of those who are stricken with GID are often very high. That is why the rage at Susan Stanton’s frivolous remarks. It is as if she is singular in having talent and seemingly above those who have preceeded her. She likely will see how difficult life is for the transitioned. I have a close transitioined friend who was without work for two years before finding a place where she could make a living. She is a medical doctor, moreover, she is nationally recognized for her abilities. There are many others and most have gone through some very tough times.

  • Kimberli Jackson

    Always good when you can introduce me to new and different places to get and give opionions. You have enlightened me so much since our meeting. Thanks.

  • http://Showinghowtodoitright... Stellewriter

    What is going on here, at large, is what makes so many good and valuable Trassexuals fade into the woodwork after transition. Time for us to look at ourselves and head to the wood shed. Time to shut down the “she said, they said” and move on to what can we do that has meaing and to making a better life for the transgender.

  • http://gorgonqueen.wordpress.com Val

    > Trans-think has it that women are hollow shells and that our experiences mean in becoming women. It is a trans conceptualization that you can live as long as Susan Stanton as a man and suddenly be transformed into a woman.

    Famous “straw tranny” axioms.

    Where do people like you come up with this crap?

  • Analise

    Who knows if the newspaper distorted her comments, but it’s a regrettable comment. However, I do understand how a number of us think this way and express these sentiments towards other TG people.

    I’ve seen this sort of comment made before. It is sometimes done by someone wanting to affirm their self, as distinct from someone else who they think doesn’t pass as well, or acts less feminine. There are also TS girls out there who act overly submissive, more overtly feminine than many post-feminist, cisgendered females.

    I went to my first TG support group last year and my immediate reaction was eek, men in dresses. Part of me said they’re all crossdressers, and I’ve avoided crossdressing so that I don’t look like that. I’m ashamed of that now, and I think that part of our coming out/coming to terms with our TG selves is learning about all of the variety there is, seeing more of ourself in others at different stages or on different side roads, to our own journey.