Thankyou very much! Being a brit that would be a compliment as long as I don’t get to be queenie!

I see myself as more of the debutant sort

Ok now .. I really feel that I breath life into this room .. I mean nobody said diddly until I posted something and now ya’ll cant STFU … !

Marti,
I guess you can see I’m a little fiesty tonight. While making dinner, I accidently opened up a can of Whoop-Ass and as you probably know, it starts spoiling rather quickly and if you don’t use it right away, it will turn on you. Sue and Leigh were easy targets to find, because I knew just where to look. Damn, that was a close call.

That has NOTHING to do with how she’s viewed by society. If you’re masculine and M2F, but have had SRS, society will still view you, most likely, as a male. Passing privilege is what most people react to, regardless of genitals.

Her Birth Certificate says what?

And what is between her legs?

Honey i live in the real world not Tee-Gee Land.

I noticed you are not answering my reply on Bilerico Why????
Can’t say in public what you are so willing to say here.
Whats wrong Don’t have the BALLS???

Sue

No felix .. we don’t do shows .. we leave the showboating to the trans-gays … they have so much more experience at that sort of thing .. cant hardly keep them off the stage !!!

You better check the use by date on that can of whip ass.
It’s about three years old. and flat.

Go to Wal*Mart and buy some more….
That is old stuff.

Kisses……

Sue

It has EVERYTHING to do with how I would view her… now I will ask you again … does she intend to have surgery? If not ..she is simply a male exercising male privledge to pass in society as a female… now answer the question please .. honestly!

Her BC doesn’t say sex. It’s one of the good things about living in Indiana.

Consider yourself banned. You’ve pushed stuff here into the gutter for the last time. Neither Leigh, Susan, or even Cathryn Platine has been as vulgar as you have.

“Passing privilege is what most people react to, regardless of genitals.”

Really? I reckon I have dated and slept with some guys that would have to disagree with you in that dept… course, they weren’t gay though ..

Only “some” guys, leigh?

Well, bitch, my insurance has listed me as female for over ten years now. The driver’s license has had the “F” for the same amount of time. I was the first female member in the all-male national organization, United States Submarine Veterans, Inc. They wanted me to become part of the “Lady’s Auxiliary” because I was no longer a man.

The Democratic party recognizes me a female, because that was the only reason I got elected to the 2004 Convention as a delegate. They have to send 50/50 men and women, and in my district that year, they required 2 females and one male delegate representing Kerry. I was one of the two females.

And, every woman I have made love to considered me a female, because I knew how to treat them just like any other woman would. You might be able to “fool” a lot of people like you do, but you can’t fool a lesbian when you are making love to them. One woman even tested me by giving me a kiss. She was convinced.

You, however, need to lose some of that competitive male upbringing you carried over from you past. It would help.

Gee, Leigh, I like a little challenge here. All of this is really the internet version of dodge ball. You and Sue are so visible that all any of us has to do is close our eyes and throw the ball. We’re bound to hit either one of you, of cause you to come crawling out from whatever rock you two live under. (Dodge ball) Hell, you can’t sling a dead cat on the internet without hitting one of you two. (My apology to cat lovers.)

Leigh,
It’s good to see that you have a healthy love life. That is probably the most positive things I have seen come out of you. To be able to give love and know how to receive it is something many trans women have a problem with, regardless of what sex(es) they are attracted to. Maybe you can set Sue up with some of your rejects. (Dodge Ball, Sue.)

Do they sell it by the case?

So your going to get SRS basically when you cant think of anything else to spend your money on then ..

I am going to go easy on you Monica .. enjoy your new house.

I just don’t intend to put myself into a financal bottomless pit for something that won’t change my life that much and only a few people (like my doctor) will get to see. I don’t think it would be wise to go to a lesbian function or nightclub and brag about my new vagina just to try and attract women. It don’t work that way. I don’t like men, so a vagina is not needed there either. And, trans men are a lot more opened minded, so I’m attracted to them.

I have been working at the same job for 18 years, so what do I need a birth certificate for? It’s the only piece of document I haven’t changed. They have me listed as female at work, because it is an understanding company. Besides, it is against the law for them to ask about my medical issues. My doctor is a gay man who treats a lot of trans people, so he is in tuned with everything. And, I don’t plan on getting a passport.

I have seen too many of my sisters totally fuck themselves over financally to get the Holy Grail (or is it “Holey Grail?”) and they don’t recover. I was paying child support for 6 years, which screwed me good. I am back on my feet and back on track. Just because my track isn’t the same as yours or others doesn’t make it any less valid.

That’s the primary difference between me and all of the HBS people. I’m willing to cut people slack for their life issues that keeps them away from SRS. The only thing HBS people want to do is cut people down. If you don’t believe me, then watch Sue’s nasty comments after this . . . or, are you planing on giving me shit because I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth like others have?

Wait a minute! Can you hear the laughter? It’s Barney Frank and the HRC cronies; they read this stuff too! Are we the freaks they have portrayed us to be? Perhaps, we are not safe, not mentally balanced, not fit for public restrooms, and ….. not ready for prime time.

Wait a minute! Can you hear the laughter? It’s Barney Frank and the militant gay HRC cronies; they read this stuff too! Are we the freaks they have portrayed us to be? Perhaps, we are not safe, not mentally balanced, not fit for public restrooms, and ….. not ready for prime time.

And we wonder why the Trans-community has the highest suicide rate? This place is unsafe!

Lesbians Lesbians Lesbians …

Everyone wants to be a lesbian. Guys actually fantasize about doing it with two lesbians, of course you knew that .. thats why they feature so prominently in sex magazines. Naturally, guys only fantasize about those real seductive lesbians that are hotter than Jennifer Aniston, but the reality is that most real life lesbians are not all that hot and certainly wouldn’t consider being some guys play thing and likewise the guys would soon lose interest too.

With Transsexuals, many of those that were heterosexual before they transitioned tend to keep their heterosexuality throughout transition and for some time into post operative life. They often consider themself lesbian, especially if they transitioned while still married or living with a girlfriend. After they become post op the marriage or girlfriend thing becomes strained and often breaks down. The person now finds themself alone and confused. Some partner up with other transsexuals, some find a real gg lesbian, others start dating straight men, some de-transition and many give up and live their lives in solitude with their cats.

With most heterosexual transsexuals there is a trust issue with men. That is to say they don’t trust themself to let a man close to them because it could invite unwanted danger. Some internalize their own male birth and upbringing and project that on all men, and some simply mimick women and say “all men are pigs”. However, for many post op transsexuals there usually comes a time when they want to flirt with men and even accept innocent dates from them. If the transsexual in question is passable and comfortable enough with themself they start to see men in a different perspective. This comes about because men present themselves in different ways to women than they do to men. In like, as the post surgical woman progresses further away from the transition phase and surgery, they also start to see the different perspective of woman to woman interaction and often feel less and less attracted to them sexually and mentally. The gays point to this and claim foul stating that the T woman had latent homosexual tendencies that are now surfacing. This is not the case.

To some extent, HRT and the loss of natural testosterone post surgically are partly the reason for this but not the whole story. Fear is a very big emotion and continues to rule the T woman even after a successful transition. If a wife or loved one is involved, the T woman will often continue to stay on the path of least resistance and muddle along as a lesbian for the sake of sparing the others pain. That doesn’t mean that the T woman will remain strictly faithfull because the lure from men that want to show this woman a good time, wine and dine her and even have intercourse with her, will still tug at her, sometimes for many years. Once the woman overcomes her natural fear of men the process begins and the woman, if successful is no longer a lesbian. She will look back abd realise she never actually was a lesbian, that what she actually was experiencing was her own fear brought about by the circumstances of transition. It was only logical that since she had not been homosexual pre transition, was not attracted to men during and for a period of years after transition, that she should have to consider herself a lesbian since there was no other term that fit her circumstance.

When I hear a pre op transsexual say they are a lesbian and they have no interest in men I think to myself .. par for the course. When I hear someone say that since they are a lesbian and since they have no interest in men, there is no point in buying an aftermarket vagina I think .. thats what a man would say. The person making that statement has absolutly no concept that this aftermarket vagina, as they like to call it, is so much more than a simple bolt on accessory, that it will in fact change their lives and the way they think in ways they cannot even yet imagine. They have no concept of that because one has to experience it for themself.

Does that mean that they should cash in their life insurance and go get one ? Heck no. What they should do is cash in their attitude that this organ is an accessory serving no other purpose than peeing, passing and stroking. The lack of this little accessory is not simply cosmetic, it effects the way you think, the way your body works, your emotions, your cooling system and a variety of other internal organs not to mention that big one, your sex drive.

This has been bought to you as a public service announcement from a 30 years post surgical, old guard, non- hbs, classic trannsexual woman.

Lesbians Lesbians Lesbians …

Everyone wants to be a lesbian. Guys actually fantasize about doing it with two lesbians, of course you knew that .. thats why they feature so prominently in sex magazines. Naturally, guys only fantasize about those real seductive lesbians that are hotter than Jennifer Aniston, but the reality is that most real life lesbians are not all that hot and certainly wouldn’t consider being some guys play thing and likewise the guys would soon lose interest too.

With Transsexuals, many of those that were heterosexual before they transitioned tend to keep their heterosexuality throughout transition and for some time into post operative life. They often consider themself lesbian, especially if they transitioned while still married or living with a girlfriend. After they become post op the marriage or girlfriend thing becomes strained and often breaks down. The person now finds themself alone and confused. Some partner up with other transsexuals, some find a real gg lesbian, others start dating straight men, some de-transition and many give up and live their lives in solitude with their cats.

With most heterosexual transsexuals there is a trust issue with men. That is to say they don’t trust themself to let a man close to them because it could invite unwanted danger. Some internalize their own male birth and upbringing and project that on all men, and some simply mimick women and say “all men are pigs”. However, for many post op transsexuals there usually comes a time when they want to flirt with men and even accept innocent dates from them. If the transsexual in question is passable and comfortable enough with themself they start to see men in a different perspective. This comes about because men present themselves in different ways to women than they do to men. In like, as the post surgical woman progresses further away from the transition phase and surgery, they also start to see the different perspective of woman to woman interaction and often feel less and less attracted to them sexually and mentally. The gays point to this and claim foul stating that the T woman had latent homosexual tendencies that are now surfacing. This is not the case.

To some extent, HRT and the loss of natural testosterone post surgically are partly the reason for this but not the whole story. Fear is a very big emotion and continues to rule the T woman even after a successful transition. If a wife or loved one is involved, the T woman will often continue to stay on the path of least resistance and muddle along as a lesbian for the sake of sparing the others pain. That doesn’t mean that the T woman will remain strictly faithfull because the lure from men that want to show this woman a good time, wine and dine her and even have intercourse with her, will still tug at her, sometimes for many years. Once the woman overcomes her natural fear of men the process begins and the woman, if successful is no longer a lesbian. She will look back abd realise she never actually was a lesbian, that what she actually was experiencing was her own fear brought about by the circumstances of transition. It was only logical that since she had not been homosexual pre transition, was not attracted to men during and for a period of years after transition, that she should have to consider herself a lesbian since there was no other term that fit her circumstance.

When I hear a pre op transsexual say they are a lesbian and they have no interest in men I think to myself .. par for the course. When I hear someone say that since they are a lesbian and since they have no interest in men, there is no point in buying an aftermarket vagina I think .. thats what a man would say. The person making that statement has absolutly no concept that this aftermarket vagina, as they like to call it, is so much more than a simple bolt on accessory, that it will in fact change their lives and the way they think in ways they cannot even yet imagine. They have no concept of that because one has to experience it for themself.

Does that mean that they should cash in their life insurance and go get one ? Heck no. What they should do is cash in their attitude that this organ is an accessory serving no other purpose than peeing, passing and stroking. The lack of this little accessory is not simply cosmetic, it effects the way you think, the way your body works, your emotions, your cooling system and a variety of other internal organs not to mention that big one, your sex drive.

This has been bought to you as a public service announcement from a 30 years post surgical, old guard, non- hbs, classic trannsexual woman.

excuse me?……..why are you continually dragging me into this?

I’d posted what, two, three times here? Once asking you respect my desire to be addressed as Cathryn.

You make, as always, endlessly prurient, prejudicial and unwarranted assumptions about the private lives and bodies of pre-ops.

I take it also that you do not believe in truly post-op lesbians?

At least you have taken one step towards the semblance of reason here. The opening of your second major paragraph suggests that – in spite of your earlier insistence to the contrary – Real Transsexuals do indeed experience a variety of life histories.

I’m also amused by Leigh’s ignorant harping on the suggestion that anyone who doesn’t transition early is somehow illegitimate. The fact is that many of her own True Transsexual partisans transitioned in their 30s, or even in their 40s – and in some cases it’s quite likely that their transition was sufficient to Harry Benjamin’s standards but not their own ideology – and the only real thing they have in common with each other is a shitty attitude.

Nailed it real good, Val. I cannot begin to count how many post-op trans women I know (or even made loved with) who are happy lesbians. Maybe Leigh is repressed? She is definitely showing a bit of homophobia and internalized tranphobia.