> (or even made loved with)

TMI.

So what’s the issue? I was saying everyone except Sue’s been at least borderline civil.

Next time ya want me to call you a radical bitch? Is there something bad in saying you’re being civil?

All the straight males who watch porn that I know (and that’s most of my friends actually)have said (in many discussions on the subject) that they like lesbian porn because it has no naked men in it. That’s it.

Just homophobia and a discomfort with male nudity.

“I take it also that you do not believe in truly post-op lesbians?”

yes I do .. but how lomg did you want me to make this essay ?

I also never made reference to pre-post op homosexual transsexual males since that whole idea is as bizzare to me as the idea of a woman with a penis.

I Thought we weren’t talking ? I knew you couldn’t resist …

“I’m also amused by Leigh’s ignorant harping on the suggestion that anyone who doesn’t transition early is somehow illegitimate.”

Never said that in this post.. so where is the “harping” ?

“and the only real thing they have in common with each other is a shitty attitude.”

Which shitty attitude would that be then ? would that be the one where I won’t allow you to dictate my beliefs or the one where you have no sense of humor .. hell you couldn’t buy a sense of humor. Must be difficult being you…

You know, with all the contempt I have for you and Sue, I have not once referred to either of you with male pronouns or called you a man/guy.

Here’s a quote from my article called “Gender Fundimentalists:”

“Speaking of chastising people, this has become the standard operating procedure for many who identify as WBT. If you don’t have an aftermarket vagina or plan on getting one soon, then you’re nothing more than “fetishists” or “perverts.” They also resort to calling people “transgenderists,” as if the word will hurt others like it hurts them. I have to really laugh at that one.

It doesn’t matter if a person cannot get surgery for medical reasons, or that the finances are not in place. If you don’t follow the strict teachings of those “self appointed leaders” in the WBT movement, then they are, she-males, transvestites, crossdressers, or just “Mr.” I’ve been called “Mr. Helms” many times, which also makes me laugh, because I wasn’t born with the last name of “Helms”.”

I really appreciate it that you constantly go out of your way to prove that I had it absolutely right all along. You are such a sweetheart. (Nudge, nudge. Wink, Wink.)

This string of comments is likely pasted on the office wall in HRC headquarters! Every clean cut, thousand dollar suit that walks by laughs and says to themself,”job well done, we have gotten the Trannies on the run!” And at the coffee pot, over dainty little scones, the laughter is uncontrollable. We too should save this string, carving it in stone. We can use it on the next tombstone as a memorial to the next transgender hate crime, and the many to follow………

> I Thought we weren’t talking ?

Ah yes. Thank you for reminding me.

They don’t own your content. I have read the TOS. I’m very aware.

Sue, Dude your crazy… Oh wait sorry didn’t mean to use a general gender specific term to reference you, its the valley girl in me, and by girl I don’t mean that I have a vagina… you obviously relish the idea of Becky having to find another stream provider or else you would not have sent a letter to L365. Please take the advice I offered you on the show…

1) Get a soap box
2) Stand on it
3) SCREAM YOUR LUNGS OUT

If you don’t like that others arent talking about your issues… TALK ABOUT IT YOURSELF!

No need to try and get Becky’s show taken off just cause you don’t think she is properly covering an issue that she doesn’t fully understand as much as you!

That’s right Sue, I put a lot of effort into my show, as do other people. What you did put the show at risk, and does nothing to address your issue with Marti personally.

Ever since I started doing my show, I’ve always invited those with opposing and alternative viewpoints to participate. For me, it’s about the discussion, and it’s important that not everyone be on the same page on every issue. I make it a point to welcome those like yourself who don’t fully agree with everything I say, and a big reason why I asked Marti to be a part of it is exactly because we frequently challenge each other and I believe that helps make for a better, more interesting, and more informative show.

I’ve worked damn hard to get to the point where more people are honoring me and my show with their listenership than ever before, and I take that responsibility seriously. When someone like yourself puts years of work at risk simply because you don’t like something said on the show, I will do whatever I have to in order to protect myself, my friends who also donate their time and effort to the show, and my ability to continue serving those who take the time to listen and participate. I consider that both my right and my obligation to those of us involved in creating the show and to those who listen to it.

There are plenty of places to challenge the views you hear presented on the show, including on the show itself. I have never turned away a caller before, regardless of whether I or anyone else agreed with their view or not. Frankly, I don’t what else to do. You actions have threatened something I care deeply about for reasons that have nothing to do with me. There’s no other action I know of that I can take in the defense of my show other than to ban you from it in order to prevent this situation from occurring again.

You say you enjoy the show, but yet you attack Marti by doing something that risks the show existence and my ability to continue doing it. I fail to understand how this is a reasonable or effective response, regardless of what you think of Marti’s views.

What you did was mean-spirited and nothing more than an attack on someone you disagreed with, apparently not caring who else you hurt in the process of doing so. In my eyes, that makes you dangerous, untrustworthy, and a threat to something I put my heart and soul into.

Perhaps one day you will understand why what you did was uncalled for and wrong, but until that day comes, I don’t see how I can allow you to be part of it any longer.

where is the abuse?

You miss the point. She isn’t a DQ anymore, she’s transgender. She lives and works in society as a woman. She doesn’t think of herself as a man and neither does society.

My point, as always, is that in society passing privilege is what people look at more than anything else in judging who is a “true woman.”

I just don’t see the logic in saying because you’ve had surgery, you’re somehow more of a woman than her. She’s and her lovers are the only people that know her surgical status.

Expected nothing less …. at least they are predictable eh !

I love this because you don’t have the stones or in your case the Balls to talk to me privately about this.

Instead you will come here and pound on your Harry Chest and act like some APE posturing.

You are really showing what level of credibility people should rank you at.

You don’t have the nerve to address me on Bilerico. because you know people will see you for you really are….

I have to ell you Helms…
You are a boil on the face of the Tee-Gee community.

Keep it up the main body of the GLBT community needs to see you for who you really are.

Sue

Spell Check: “Harry” should have been spelled “Hairy.” Please save this to your files. Thank you.

I have said all sorts of things on this blog and shall continue to do so. Is there an “old guard” themed show you would recommend I listen to via the internet? Many thanks.

You miss the point too .. does she intend to have surgery or would that put a dent in her sex life ?

Thankyou very much! Being a brit that would be a compliment as long as I don’t get to be queenie!

I see myself as more of the debutant sort

That just goes to show you how ignorant you are. She has an F on her DL, and her employer or employees don’t regularly check her panties.

Unlike you, most people don’t wear (because they don’t need to) their genitals on their sleeves.

That has NOTHING to do with how she’s viewed by society. If you’re masculine and M2F, but have had SRS, society will still view you, most likely, as a male. Passing privilege is what most people react to, regardless of genitals.

Her Birth Certificate says what?

And what is between her legs?

Honey i live in the real world not Tee-Gee Land.

I noticed you are not answering my reply on Bilerico Why????
Can’t say in public what you are so willing to say here.
Whats wrong Don’t have the BALLS???

Sue

You better check the use by date on that can of whip ass.
It’s about three years old. and flat.

Go to Wal*Mart and buy some more….
That is old stuff.

Kisses……

Sue

Not necessarily ture…
You seem to forget your employer has the right to see your birth certificate.

Thank God for REAL ID.

Susan Robins.

“Passing privilege is what most people react to, regardless of genitals.”

Really? I reckon I have dated and slept with some guys that would have to disagree with you in that dept… course, they weren’t gay though ..

Her BC doesn’t say sex. It’s one of the good things about living in Indiana.

Consider yourself banned. You’ve pushed stuff here into the gutter for the last time. Neither Leigh, Susan, or even Cathryn Platine has been as vulgar as you have.

Only “some” guys, leigh?

well of course !! do you think me a slut ! …lol

Gee, Leigh, I like a little challenge here. All of this is really the internet version of dodge ball. You and Sue are so visible that all any of us has to do is close our eyes and throw the ball. We’re bound to hit either one of you, of cause you to come crawling out from whatever rock you two live under. (Dodge ball) Hell, you can’t sling a dead cat on the internet without hitting one of you two. (My apology to cat lovers.)

I bought my rock last May, the 3rd home in my life and the first one by myself. I feel that it will provide me the means to get the money for SRS in a few years, either through tax refunds or refinancing. And, I have my own place, not renting. It is a beautiful feeling.

I just don’t intend to put myself into a financal bottomless pit for something that won’t change my life that much and only a few people (like my doctor) will get to see. I don’t think it would be wise to go to a lesbian function or nightclub and brag about my new vagina just to try and attract women. It don’t work that way. I don’t like men, so a vagina is not needed there either. And, trans men are a lot more opened minded, so I’m attracted to them.

I have been working at the same job for 18 years, so what do I need a birth certificate for? It’s the only piece of document I haven’t changed. They have me listed as female at work, because it is an understanding company. Besides, it is against the law for them to ask about my medical issues. My doctor is a gay man who treats a lot of trans people, so he is in tuned with everything. And, I don’t plan on getting a passport.

I have seen too many of my sisters totally fuck themselves over financally to get the Holy Grail (or is it “Holey Grail?”) and they don’t recover. I was paying child support for 6 years, which screwed me good. I am back on my feet and back on track. Just because my track isn’t the same as yours or others doesn’t make it any less valid.

That’s the primary difference between me and all of the HBS people. I’m willing to cut people slack for their life issues that keeps them away from SRS. The only thing HBS people want to do is cut people down. If you don’t believe me, then watch Sue’s nasty comments after this . . . or, are you planing on giving me shit because I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth like others have?

You’re an ass.

You must have me mistaken for Sue . . . “dearest.” (insert sarcastic tone.)

Monica – that was totally unnecessary and rude.
I just pissed my pants laughing and now you can see right through them.

Regarding the popularity of lesbians amongst straight men.
Actually from extensive conversations amongst my porn-loving straight male friends the reason for the popularity of lesbians in straight male porn is that there isn’t a guy on the page or the screen that they don’t want to see naked.

Most of them, once the subject came up were quite quick to say that this was the great thing with lesbians in porn. Other porn they’d be trying to look past the guy or ignore his presence, finding some camera angles uncomfortable to see because of the prominance or graphic nature of the guy in the image. With lesbians they could look all round the screen and not a sign of unpleasant male nudity would exist to get in the way of the comfortable image of female nakedness and sexual enjoyment.

So I’d say the popularity of lesbains comes from homophobia and the general discomfort of many straight men with male nudity.

I’m also amused by Leigh’s ignorant harping on the suggestion that anyone who doesn’t transition early is somehow illegitimate. The fact is that many of her own True Transsexual partisans transitioned in their 30s, or even in their 40s – and in some cases it’s quite likely that their transition was sufficient to Harry Benjamin’s standards but not their own ideology – and the only real thing they have in common with each other is a shitty attitude.

excuse me?……..why are you continually dragging me into this?

I’d posted what, two, three times here? Once asking you respect my desire to be addressed as Cathryn.

Nailed it real good, Val. I cannot begin to count how many post-op trans women I know (or even made loved with) who are happy lesbians. Maybe Leigh is repressed? She is definitely showing a bit of homophobia and internalized tranphobia.

You can’t begin to count them, Monica? All go here, isn’t it?

Sorry, Val. I forgot. The other s-word shouldn’t be discussed.

You know, with all the contempt I have for you and Sue, I have not once referred to either of you with male pronouns or called you a man/guy.

Here’s a quote from my article called “Gender Fundimentalists:”

“Speaking of chastising people, this has become the standard operating procedure for many who identify as WBT. If you don’t have an aftermarket vagina or plan on getting one soon, then you’re nothing more than “fetishists” or “perverts.” They also resort to calling people “transgenderists,” as if the word will hurt others like it hurts them. I have to really laugh at that one.

It doesn’t matter if a person cannot get surgery for medical reasons, or that the finances are not in place. If you don’t follow the strict teachings of those “self appointed leaders” in the WBT movement, then they are, she-males, transvestites, crossdressers, or just “Mr.” I’ve been called “Mr. Helms” many times, which also makes me laugh, because I wasn’t born with the last name of “Helms”.”

I really appreciate it that you constantly go out of your way to prove that I had it absolutely right all along. You are such a sweetheart. (Nudge, nudge. Wink, Wink.)

> I Thought we weren’t talking ?

Ah yes. Thank you for reminding me.